Hi,
I just don’t want to hurt anyone’s feeling out here. But I just went through a post at our IIT Guwahati orkut community which provided two astonishing links.
Go to http://www.jee.iitk.ac.in
Enter Roll No: 1132131
The guy is some BRAJMOHAN MEENA
All India Rank : 4929
Rank in ST category : ST9
Now go to: http://www.jee.iitk.ac.in
Enter Roll No: 1132131
And this guy has been alloted, can you guess ??
IIT Bombay CSE (BTech 4 year course), jo mere aane waale next 7 generations mein se koi nahi paa paega. This is just shocking yaar for me, I knew reservation help but I didn’t thought this is the difference.
I am sorry, but didn’t wanted to hurt anyone’s feeling. Just wanted to put this among you all. Don’t know what these politicians really want out of this country.
Also sorry for this guy, whos example has finally come up.
But shouldn’t there be a strong voice against this?
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These ****ing bastards want the SC/ST votes, Which constitutes majority of voting population. A better option to lift these backward classes is to provide free education and scholarships. What if these reserved candidates without proper knowledge go and build bridges and buildings.
Yes we all agree to the same view point, but no matter how much talking we do these politicians will never ever allow this to happen.
Thing is in next 100 years you will never find any political party to raise a voice against reservation system, it will remain like this if not worst. These ****ing politicians just care about the vote bank.
May be we should get in to politics to change it, or at least take some time to cast our vote. If the non-reserved candidates also participate in voting then things may change as majority of Indian population is in non reserved category, politicians will be worried about loosing these votes.
Hey Abhi……
That’s really an eye opener. This indeed show that reservation issue is so sensitive that political parties don’t go against this and the situation is worsening day by day.
But this also reveals a simple fact, that people like us, how pathetic is our situation here. We; who are supposed to be the future of the nation don’t date to leave our cozy high end salaried environ. “aur hum buddhijivio ki tarah baat to kar lete hain… lekin action lene ka gooda kisi mein nahi hai..”
So how the politicians are wrong on their part. They have a country to eat, country to exploit, and no body is there to stop them. They see the opportunity that this contary have som fragili nerve and they simply use it to their advantage.
So what is going on is no doubt wrong, but I think we have much more responsiblity then just to talk about it.
To chod yaar yahoo vahoo….. aur IAS ki preparation kar…. hehehehehhe
anyways…. your post awestruck me..!!
Hehe, yaar we all know that it not going to end with us pointing a things or two here or there. It will only end when we have a revolutionary leader up front and that will only happen when we as junta open our eyes before casting our votes.
I just don’t want to end up with what sateyndra dubey did. Wondering who is here, see this:
Further do you think that IAS are at the white end of all this? I guess even IAS are equally corrupt today as our bloody politicians.
wow…its really overwhelming…don’t have enough words to express my shock!
Beautiful!! and Inspiring!!
For those like me, who cannot open YOUTUBE, here is the wiki link for Satyandra Dubey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyendra_Dubey
Now back to you abhi,
You yourself answered the qus yourself. IAS or IPS or IES might be corrupt. But not all of them are the same.
I mean, you yourself will agree that there are certain people working honestly and fighting the issues in their own way. I just cannot accept that country with a population of more then 100 cr is just going with a gdp more then 8% without these kinda unknown people.
And who will be curroup abhi. If you will be the IAS then the very first challange is don’t let yourself corrupt. When I was a bit younger, I used to think of Amitabh’s character in SHAHNSHAH. I think that is a perfect solution to the problem.
Abe…. koi rishvat de raha hai… to sala le lo… Kahe ko gaandhi bante ho…Kaun sa saala tum stamp paper pe likh ke de rahe ho .. ki main bik gaya hoon.. aur ab main tere liya kaam karoonga… haan lekin us money ko kaise use karna hai…
My simple funda is… TIT FOR TAT…
they are cunny and so be you…. seedha seedhe tareek se jaoge to satyandra dubey hi banoge..
Now don’t be mistaken….. I am not sayign taking bribe is good or bad…
that’s not the point… Point is… tackel the problem realistically rather then thoritically.
First comes first… and that is Survival the full stomach and then your values!!
Aaj hum deshseva ki baat kar rahe hain… ye vo falana dhimka…
But tell me one thing… and tell me very honestly…. god forbade me..
if you havn’t eaten up for last 3 days… and then you do some service to some guys.. and then he/she f*** you and tell you to go away… would you think about value.. wrong right… i guess no.. IF you are an avarage person… But yes.. If you are somebody who can change the world!!{ I am contradicting.. but just writing what is coming to mind.. so plz.. bear with me}
hehe, no problem with what you just penned down. I totally agree that people are working with full dedication and commitment. But as far as I can gauge is that, in todays world you r bound to be corrupt if want to have power in your hand. Look at it in what ever way you want to but this is a fact.
Anyways our point of discussion was not corruption but reservation which is killing away the entire country. On one hand politicians talk about equality, and on the other hand they pass reservation bills for SC/ST and women. Well all this is bound to bring differences among the society for sure, and politicians will make sure they take full advantage of the situation.
Chalo jo bhi hai, ji lo zindigi jaisi bhi hai
This is just the beginning of the end of IIT’s. Preparations are underway to implement reservations in IIT Faculty too, guess how many Sambhi’s and Sahu’s our juniors have to bear.
They r also planning an all women IIT, I seriously dunno why??. It is the dream of our President to have one in Amravati, her home constituency.
And sth about the facts u have presented, It has been the same since the beginning of reservations. There is nothing new in it.
U have started doing sth useful jahtu, good keep it up.
-Cholleti
Wat a delight to have a comment from our own cholleti, how are you dude. Anyways yaar this all women IIT will be hell of a place. Whats the logic behind this yaar, saari IIT ki ladiyaan milaakar itni nahi hongi jitne IITG mein ladke hai. Logic kya hai saala.
Thanks again for leaving your footprints on my blog.
Yup, shocking is the right word. IIT quality is going to go down drastically, and I am somehow helpless to stop the degradation of my alma mater.
truly it is, with the number of IIT’s coming up which many people complaints are not at a beginner mark itself. The value of IIT’s will go down considerably. And if something like an IIT for women also is in line, then God help us all.
Really sad. I have heard that in medical courses, syllabi are downgraded every now n then to help SC/ST students pass the course. Are these politicians willing to get treated by one of them?
Well logically they shouldn’t expect a treat from the reserved candidates, as on paper they are helping those poor, below the poverty line and for those who are unable to afford their studies.
Atleast that what these politicians try to present before the nation.
Crap! He shouldn’t even have got design at IITG with that general merit rank. Depressing.
hehe, yes in my times I didn’t even got a CSE in Guwahati, leave Mumbai
yaar if govt wants to improve there status whhy dont they provide them with financial support……….??
Because they probably don’t want bucks going from government, which they eventually wants to grab for themselves. Caught red handed by TV channels and still have the courage to contest the next election.
They just want to have that exclusive vote bank from SC/ST and OBC’s which constitutes about 50% of indian population.
i think it was a obvious trick of the clever politicians in order to fil al the seats of new iits with obc becoz i have inquired about this……since many candidates behind me were given a seat and i was not alloted a single seat of my choice…though those seats were within my range….actually wat has happened tat this year it was general who were most sufferer in dis conflict of the selfish people…..they have not got the branch of their choice and al obc candidates upto 7000 or above rank have got good branches……dis year condition was better but next year n so on the condition wil worsen n nobody than can stop the discrimination in the whole society……im telling the truth n i sincerly mean it……
Its really sad the way no. of IITs is increasing and the quality of education in the same is degrading. I am sure everyone here will agree when I say even after 14 yrs, IITG doesn’t stand up to the mark of other IITs. They say it takes time. How long? And why put new IITs when they can’t ensure a quality education in the existing ones itself?? This isn’t the issue being discussed here. But still…
Reservations… in the education system… even among the faculty, any time now. All this to help the then oppressed,reserved category people to get on par with the general category people today.What Crap!! If it is really to help them, it should be by spreading awareness and giving them financial support[for those who rightly deserve this.. you all know the politics when it comes to money matters.. again not the topic here] and bringing them to a level where all are equally competent.Giving a seat to a guy in the highly competent environment might lead to a complete havoc in his life too.. I really feel sad for this guy.
All we do here is talk about things. But obviously this wont help to make the situation any better. Any thing else can be done? Enter the politics? IAS? Everyone will talk… how many will be ready to take the challenge? If not for anything else, our own IITs? Is this really a practical solution?
And somehow I [would like to]believe corruption in the organisations, if left to our generation, without any influence of the earlier ‘traditions’, will be considerably less… What do u say?
@ abhi: aap kyun sirf all girls IIT ke peeche padhe hue hain? ofcourse its a dumb idea but so are the rest.sirf uske peeche kyun??
Thanks eesha for telling the actual thing. I have even heard that this year they didn’t even told people about what all seats have been filled and what all is left and as a result, may candidates whom I know have ended up getting none of the seats. Was this the case really?
boohooo!!!
Yes talking and discussion sole are not the solution. Bust it’s the first step though. For instance, one can take only this thread… so many ppl have already participated and are still on.
I don’t know what how others take this, but I see IAS is a very practical solution. Though there are a lot — a lot — of stories. How a topper throughout the career entered into civil services and how his voice is subdued be the curropt politicians. But I must say, being intelligent is not enough. Apply yourself. Go orthodox. IAS gives the very first plateform where one can act with responsiblity.
But what I usually notice in all the sad stories of guys with IITS->POST GRAD->IAS, one thing is common. They tried to go alone. And alone your are susebtible to pressure and even dead at times like S. Dubey.
Don’t dream of changing the world in a single day. Establish a proper channel. Today our youth (FYI, India is in top list in terms on % of youth in terms of population) is thinking and is starving for a change. Why don’t a responsible person like an IAS consume his energy in bringing this thinking generation with him. Then you don’t need to write to PM, he will call you him self.
The above was an example of how things can be done differently.
Any comments are welcome. (hey abhi, digressing from topic ????!! nevermind… your “blog hits” are increasing anyways!!
)
Yes Vaishu I strongly agree with the vulnerable standards of education in IIT guwahati. But if you are sitting back and hoping that the standard of IITG Education will go up then you are wrong. Actually our IITG was an inclusion for two reasons: 1) For increasing the number of IIT’s and having one in the north eastern states as promised by Late Rajiv Gandhi 2) It was also a source of employement for the natives in IIT Guwahati.
Probably you must have noticed that you won’t find any person in the admin building who is out of Guwahati or Assam. The same goes for professor ship also, they are very relucatant to take professors from outside Assam. Further, why will a professor come from north or south to live his life in Guwahati? Further professors who come to IIT Guwahati, mainly come to gain experience. Once they have that experience and IIT tag they fly away to other colleges for better social life.
These are the reasons that will keep the academic standards of IIT Guwahati more or less the same. It will be only upto students to take the initiative themselves and make the best use of resources made available.
@ All women IIT: Yaar I am not after this only coz its an all women IIT, even if it would have been an all boys IIT i would have reacted in the same manner.
Blaming the system, blaming politicians blah blah doesn’t help and will never help. Rang De Basanti dekh ke har koi senti ho gaya tha ki ab to kuch karke rahenge…4 din mein fir bhool gaya…vohi nahana dhona khana peena..hehe
Cleansing, i believe, begins from within. har koi apne level pe bas apne ko sudhar le duniya sudhar jayegi. Nahi bhi sudharegi to kum se kum khud ka to udhdhar ho hi jayega. I donn oppose posting comments, raising voices and discussing issues, but ultimately what i find is that everything remains the same and everything goes the way it way meant to go. So it’s better, in my opinion, to be individualistic, forget society, forget everything and work for self upliftment. Depending on a system how-so-ever supporting it may be, paralyzes u more once it is affected. Words like ‘beginning of the end of IITs’ start bearing more gravity with them.
Phew! Maine bhi frustape mein kuch kuch likh diya..neway nice post bhaiyya! kabhi koi morcha vorcha nikal rahe ho to ittala kar dena…designers to velle hi hain!
Thanks Akhilesh. Well I agree what you said probably. We alone can’t do or probably won’t do anything. Yes if a drive or initiative comes from a renowned person in the society who has gained enough respect in the eyes of youth, then yes probably some of us might be itched to clean up the system.
But frankly speaking I am not into it early enough. I know how messy these things can be. Just for sharing my experience of how corruption comes in with power in your hand.
Well when I became the music secy in IIT Guwahati, on the very first cultural night the sound and light system vendor came to me offering “Bhaiya sound and light 3K ka lagaenge and I will give you a bill worth 7K, aap admin se paas karwaa dena”. Well I was just shocked, as this was really unexpected, and I was just wondering that for some reasons this must have been a part of the system in the past thats why this guy has approached me in such a confident fashion.
Music secy is too low a post but still there is scope for corruption. This can give you an idea what must be happening at a much higher level, even in politics and IAS. At my level a NO was enough to stop that corruption (however he threatened to bring the local guys and beat me up
), but then at higher level your NO can lead you to the path of S.Dubey.
And yeah, I am happy that the blog hits are increasing
hi guys..it is nice to know that so many people are deeply anguished at this act of insanity by the government of india..but at the same time i must say it is really a bit sad that we as a youth of this country fail to do something other than being involved in this usual rhetoric(sad to say.. but much like our politicians).
see the problem with any debate on reservations is that there is a complete trust deficit between both the involved sides,reserved categories and General category. Each side looks at the arguments put forth by the other side through a jaundiced vision. Under the present political scenario in which there is not a single party opposing reservation, the only possible way to bring a change is, when the categories being benefited by reservations realize that it is not going to help them in the long run. Unfortunately, because of the before mentioned trust deficit the chances of this happening are minimal,if at all any.
so the only other plausible option is the youth of this country enters into politics.I know some of you have suggested earlier in the blog that by getting into the IAS may help. But sadly it is the legislature that has the sole power of framing laws not the bureaucracy or judiciary.But why would any of us get into politics?? After all weren’t we all supposed to study hard from childhood and then crack some exam,get into our dream colleges,earn a handsome salary, marry, raise kids and then instill in them the same values so that they can again compete in this rat race;a race in which we claim ourselves to be the real winners. Oh and yes all this while, I forgot to mention, every now and then when something that directly affects us, raise our concern in blogs such as these. I am sure if there would have been an exam like IAS(Indian assembly service ) or IPS(Indian parliamentary service )
many of us would have cracked those exams and entered into politics. But, sadly that is not the case because the necessary skills required for leading the people can only be acquired in the laboratory of life. We won’t get into politics because it requires conviction, the ability to endure through the struggle and hardships,courage to risk our comforts for something about whose end we our completely unsure. And and yes we will never admit all this with a refreshing candor and be quiet. Instead we say politics is not meant for honest people like us, it is full of dirt, corruption, venal practices…blah.. blah blah..while the real reason is—’ghar ki safai mein kaun haanth gande kare??’(As mentioned by Madvan in RDB).
So the point is unless we enter politics and give it a try there is no point in mourning the death of merit in this country.
Anil
Bhai politics mein I am not going for sure….anyways bhai teri post padhke I am sure you are going to crack IIM atleast, kya angrezi likhi hai tune yaar. Lag raha hai ki koi bade level ka aadmi bol raha hai, aur saare chote log chup raho
very strange that u r shocked over this example. At least he deserved to get something (his all india rank)
there are cases… and lots of them in n.i.t. s where a guy getting a reservation from small states gets the same thing with a rank of 300000 in aieee what a general guy from a state like u.p. or rajasthan gets at 4000……..
this is really pathetic and i don’t see any solution over this in my life time
@Anil
I earnestly agree to your point and am very much sure, sooner or later, advent of youth into politics is inevitable. I guess we Indians have a wont to raise towards the end!!
hey do u guyz believe dat reservations should be taken back in next few months?
n den dose 400-500 people hu hve gt deir desired branches wll get it…
n v wll make assure dat a general cadidate wll not get any fakka in his/her b.tech 4 years..
n den u wll wll make ensure dat all sc/st people wll get benifits like high level of education,,,new opporunities n all.
u all will give dem ryte?
Dinezz i guess you got the whole discussion wrong…..We never only focused that reservation to SC/ST candidate is killing a seat for a general candidate etc etc. Point we have been discussing is that amongst all this, the standard and reputation of IIT’s is going down.
Hence the point is not only what you just said “n den dose 400-500 people hu hve gt deir desired branches wll get it….”
We have seen many reserved candidates struggling to get through IIT’s and on the same hand a few excelling too. Hence if government is giving them reservation, in turn it is making there life vulnerable in IIT’s. Because inside IIT’s again you are again fighting at the same level with other candidates. The cutoff for a fakka is not lowered down for a reserved candidates then.
Hence how do you expect a candidate who is AIR 5000 to compete with AIR < 50 at IIT Bombay CSE and be at par. He is bound to struggle, he is bound to have un-necessary tensions and headaches for himself in turn.
I hope you understand my point, keeping in mind the increasing number of suicide cases etc etc
well iitian means not juss intelligence….
if a person cannt handle dese pressures in a cllge environment…how dat person gnna handle situations in real lyfe…even if he wll b an ias…out dere too he wll hve to take so many steps against his will..
even if prime minister do dat thng n u too know dis thng…
so suicide has nthng to do vid it..
n u too can make sure one thng..u do learn almost new thng coming into cllge…so even if u have normal knowledge of ur 11-12th n all u wont havin problm in ny year of iit…excepting in 1st year people hvin gud background in comp. n physics gets advantage,,,
but still it all depends on how much u put up..
i do accept so many student belongings to dese categories used to face so many problms…but telling u ….
if u r focossing well in ur cllge studies…no way u can lag behind..
becoz dey to itself start from da base..
n if dey r struggling dosent mean dat dey shld nt b allowed to enter iit..
n if u really wnna solve da problm den look at da base…
most of dem struggle due to hindi background..
even dunga ram choudhry…AIR-1 for ****ed badly due to it..
n if u really wnna solve da problm…den pls improve da education system..
hve u all people ever tried to thnk over it..
yaar i juss hve one point…
if u all can better insist on corruption in dis field rather than dis reservation issue..
i bet reserved people itself wll ask u to remove it..
infact u know one thng…in term of populations general hve got more qouata as compared to deir population..
so a time is about to come ven dey wll hve to fight more fr getting job.,as dey cnnt get admission into your quota…
n if u cnnt afford to manage headache n problms after comin into iitian..
wats use of being iitian…
@dinezz,, is dre a quota fr general students??
obyio no!!
n d point raised ovr here is nt dat hw will a reserved catoegory student pass his btech..its dat y shud he get a seat of whom he is nt worthy of..
n dres no personal comment done ovr here, u kno dat i tak u as a frn..
all dis reservation thingy is cos of damned politicians of our country.. we jus cant help it cos of many factors lik we lack unity n drez a vry less no. of ppl who raise dre voices..
phenomenon of reservation ws enacted cos at d tym of independence it ws needed fr backward n poor grp pf ppl..
bt nw financial stability dsnt depend on a person’s caste..
all we need is eqaulity, unity n prosperity…
peace!
hey its all fyne…
we r juss here to discuss smthng..nthng to fight..
well so u too hvnt thought over general quota…becoz quota for u juss means da reservation stuff…
but u know st is about 9% of all populations…
sc is about 14.5 % n smthng..n donno about obc…leave dat fr now..
dis means ..da rest is for general…ryte?
so does dat not mean a quota..
a reserved category person will not give his ny of exam under general quota..hai na?
so hu is getting seats over left %…hope da general stuff…
n i juss wnna say one thng to u…
if u dnt wnna dem to enter iit..or ny reputed insitution..
i hve got more easier way to remove all dis..
put all of dem at one place…n shoot all of dem..might b u all people wll b so happy..
u cnnt remove corruption…
u cnnt raise standard of dose people..
u cannt give dem gud education..
u cann t approach dem in required manner..
u cann guide dem..
u can juss say….y dese dumb..poor…n non intelligent people can get admission into our cllge..
u say about poiliticians….try to define dem category wise,,,u wll know hu is more corrupt….general ones or reserved ones..
i hve one point vich i hve felt soo much about..
if we all can raise awareness in dem ,,,,how to get employment…in small industries..
if we all can help dem to improve deir farming conditions..
da problm wll b too much solved..
a farmer in rajasthan….gets nthng more than..20% profit over tha investment he use to make every year in farmin…
vo apne bachche ko achhi school me nahi daal sakta..
i go to ma village n aware dem regarding wat dey can do…
i do give all ma books n as much as i can collect to give dem..
but pata hai wats da prblm…teacher nahi aate school…
course pura nahi hota..
in rajasthan…or in most of village….not more than 30% students use to pass board exam..
y a farmer or a person will continue him studyin..n jo padte hai …wat standard u expect from dem..
stndrd like u…impossible..
about ur equality n prosperity….
plzzz do wrk over it…try dem to grow up..
u wll feel how gud it make u feel..
commenting is nt da solution..
srry fr dat figure…its 9% populations of st category n 18 % population of sc category..
Ya commenting is not the solution for sure, and if you are expecting us to take a step and move into politics, well atleast I am not up for that.
Further yes IIT means intelligence and nothing else. Its was not meant for nurturing people, helping them make a livable human being. There are many colleges for that, why the hell does one want to try out these things in IIT’s.
More than a 100 thousand people don’t sweat day and night for IIT’s only because they can learn up new things. You can learn them up anywhere and even back home. They come here because of the environment, the challenge, the competition which helps them to bring out the best of themselves.
So if you say “well iitian means not juss intelligence..” , I will say a big NOOO to that. Intelligence is what the primary stuff you require here, everything else follow after it. Hence do not think that by being in a batch of AIR<100, you are going to learn how to handle pressure. Life will anyways teach you.
Filhaal toh bahut hua blah blah blah. Nice to see comments and suggestion from everyone. As far as I am concerned, well I am not going to lead the way by entering into politics, but probably wait and see if one of you make it to politics
juss few lines..
after knowing da people really do live in iit..
r u sure dey do justification vid deir knowledge,,
ankita u too would like to ans.
hve u urself did ur best in 1st year..
n same ques to all of u..
r u sure dat u hve put up ur best after entering into iit..
if iit is all about intelligence…n y evets like manthan n alcheringa…
remove dem…
n juss thnk over….if everyone out here is putting up for his/her best..
n leave dese fundas….not everyone …but 80% iitians juss run behind money…
75% or more than dat …evryone hu do enter into iit is hvin motive of earning..juss money…
if nt so….y nt dey all go to core fields rahter goin to it companies or like dat..
well m sorry if someone felt bad of me..
but i felt like writing or i wrote..
but try to thnk frm diff proint of view sme tyme..
take care
n
keep smilin
No I don’t say just intelligence. I said Intelligence is 1st thing and rest all follows it. No matter how genius you are on manthan and alcheringa stage, you will not be recognized if you are failing to achieve academically. Am I wrong??
Plus about giving your 100%. Well I just wished that it can happen at all places, and not just in IIT’s. Anyways we all know who IIT system will make you give your 100% when its required. You need not bother about that, when it matters you are upto the mark.
i think i have a one point to make here that in N.I.T.s from this year the pattern has changed……now they r not taking people who wil rank in lakhs…from any state but the 50 perc….quota in al states is open now, here is the good change tat they have tried to make……n this wil impact on the quality of the students intake in nits……but i feel sorry for those who would not be able to take admissions from this acadmic year with their state quota in other good nits…..i think these r certain steps tat gov. should follow…..still one thing is not clear yet tat wat wil happen to those seats which have remained vacant in iits these year except st/sc reservations…..i think hrd minister promised the general public that obc seats wil be given to general candidates…if they remain vacant n dis is true..dis year no provisions n directions r given to iits til now..so can i get a answer for this?
WOW!! the place is quite hot!!!
Well, may I say something ??!!
Hey I was just thinking to conduct an imaginary experiment.
Next time you put your shirt on, try to wear it on your legs and try to put on your pants unto your uppper half.
Even if you could wear them, I am very much sure that neither you nor anybody else will be convinced at the correct usage of resources (pant and shirt).
Primary education is the basic problem for our lagging fellow citizans(no sc, no st and no general: i mean all lagging, let them belong to any category) this is very much correct. But admitting them by dilution of entrance critareon and abasing the value system; into IITs or in any system for that matter is definitly the woring solution.
Even Sir Ambedkar introduced reservation in constitution for a very limited period. But sadly due to self-centered political games, this PRATHA is still being practiced.
>but u know st is about 9% of all populations…
> sc is about 14.5 % n smthng..n donno about
>obc…leave dat fr now..
>dis means ..da rest is for general…ryte?
Let me disagree with you my fellow.
9% + 15% = 24%
24% population is lagging. (though only on papers; remember there is something like creamy layer)
So if do 25% reservation; then Gov mean to say to an institute:
If you have 100 seats then only 75 can be open for Gen.
And mind you sir, Even a student from reserved category can contend for these 75 seats. It’s not that a category candidate cannot apply for these seats. Don’t procure your caste certificate, as simple as that.
To summarize, If a system is there, then please don’t tweak the rules to accomplish your goals. If you promised the euality to all, then please stick to it.
Yup right point made by Akhilesh….one side they talk about equality in the current world and on the other hand they keep on passing these stupid bills….Just unacceptable I must say…
Plus I am in the favour that they should keep all politics away from IIT’s and IIM’s atleast….kindly dont make them a macchi bazaar…..
i must say ki machchi bajaar to kisi sarkari school ko bhi nahi banana chahye…
chalo one point i too hve got…
manipal university is gud…
hai na?
V I T…is gud too…
vaha n in so many cllges..table ke neeche se paisa do n admission aapka..doesnt matter wats da persons academic qualification…..
does dat is justifications…will dey wll b able to b doin gud in deir studies out dere..
even m not sayin ki reservations should b dere…m in favour ki reservation hatna chahye…
but usse pehle khuch aise kaam karo jisse ki people u do deserve it but b able to survive..
n y u all r juss worried about iit n iim..
u remove da corruption n telling u dose people will not b needing it..
but u all hve points to make…
so u do..
keep goin..
most of da interviews for govt jobs r so much affected by corruption ki aadhi naukriya to table ke niche se hoti hai…
hope u all agree to it..
agar na ho to kisi sarkari naukri kar rahe insaan se phuchna…
plzzz ias ya ras se nahi…
kisi normal job kar rahe insaan se phucho..
hope u all hve nthng to oppose to it…as it doesnt affect u…after all iitians r iitians..
n u all r juss cncern about iit n iim..
but if u wnna make issue of ..
make issue of corruption..
“”###And mind you sir, Even a student from reserved category can contend for these 75 seats##
would u hve been doin it if u would hve been dere …
i dnt thnk so…
even if in ur laguage,,,y a person will take dis chance…
nahi..kabhi nahi..
so ur seats r safe enough…
####Next time you put your shirt on, try to wear it on your legs and try to put on your pants unto your uppper half.
###
if u hve got pant n shirt n u donno how to wear dem….will u throw dem away..
if u do …dat means u r ignoring da resuorces…dats wat means if u wll not try to develop sa backwrds classes(m nt sayin develop dem by reseration..by required means..ohkk)
might b u wll concern sum oder person ryte?
but if dat person is also not knowing da thngs still tryin to act dat he can make thngs better…will u b able to get da solution..nopess dis tyme too..
this person is like poilitians….who juss speak do not do nythng..
might b u can hve a person hu wll hve da perfect knowledge to use dose pant n shirt..but he is changin smthn u cnnt afford to..
again da problm is not solved..
dis is corruption..
so wat u will do…
i juss wnna say….remove da reservation…but do gud fr dose backwrd people…
least sum of dem will cum up n will try to make auders ahead too..
n day will come very soon ven reserved people demselves will b willing to remove it..
n one more thng..
#####9% + 15% = 24%
24% population is lagging. (though only on papers; remember there is something like creamy layer)
###
n y u thnk dat wat is dere on papers is more than wat is in real…
cannt it be less..
y not dese data can be less than wat da actual figures are…
well i spose d ans of giving ur 100 % is answered by abhinav bhaiya n i truly agree wid mr akhilesh: “If you promised the equality to all, then please stick to it.”
n @ dinezz ”
a farmer in rajasthan….gets nthng more than..20% profit over tha investment he use to make every year in farmin…
vo apne bachche ko achhi school me nahi daal sakta..
”
vo farmer kisi bhi category ka ho sakta hai..
”
u cnnt remove corruption…
u cnnt raise standard of dose people..
u cannt give dem gud education..
u cann t approach dem in required manner..
u cann guide dem..
u can juss say….y dese dumb..poor…n non intelligent people can get admission into our cllge..
”
again general r also poor.. independence mile bahut tym ho gya.. ab caste wise distributed nhi hai money.. hop u undrstand..
peace!
Yes I truly agree with Ankita here….well basically what these politicians try to present before the nation is: “SC/ST are the community which have been neglected for years and not given equal opportunity. Plus they try to show that SC/ST are the poorer community around here, which is not really the case.”
So what’s the solution really is? Well probably give reservation by father’s annual income, is it? But then its india, a business men will easily show his income below 50K an year. Even in my batch, friends who had goldern chains in their necks got the fee MCM scholarship.
So then whats the solution is? I probably don’t know and even its tough to come out with one. But what I am sure is, giving this blind reservation to all SC/ST’s is not helping the cause. As ankita pointed out, farmers will still be at the same level. So whom are you really looking to benefit then?
The whole concept of applying reservation goes for a toss. No one knows whats the implications are, who is the real beneficiary. Person who’s example is taken in the parliament (poor one’s from any cast) to pass these bills are actually still at the same level.
Probably we all can keep writing things here but I am not sure what the solution really is. You ask me to go in politics, well I am not really up for that. Coz, I am sure “Duniya mein bade bade DJ pis gaye” – Aamir Khan, so mein toh DJ bhi nahi hoon. This ugly and dirty politics will eat up everyone out here.
Solution can come when these political party start thinking for nation before party. Consider Nation as first priority rather than vote bank of parties. Probably this is the reason why no party in present time is unable to have two consecutive runnings. Coz junta vote them just coz of failure of the other one in ruling and not necessarily coz of what they can do.
Chalo bahut hua bhashan waad
Haan to bachha log… Bajao taali…
khel khatm hua….
Are re… kaha jaa rahe ho… itna halla machaya… abhi apne apne 2-3 line ke solutions bhi dete jao.
SO here we are:
The problems are :
1. Curroption
2. Primary Education
3. Uneuqal distribution of money
How would you approach the problem ?Say you are 25 today. And even in next 25 years of your life, if you could benefit 100 ppl, then how would you plan to achieve this target?
mera javab:
Reality = {survival, money}
To inflict a CHNAGE = {power, thinking, leadership, most imp NETWORKING with right ppl}
SABHI KA UDDHAAR = {Reality} + {CHNAGE}
chal bhai abhi doosra topic khojna shuru kar
So implementing this abstract idea:
I’ll say
IIT provides = earn money, networking,
then I’ll go for IAS … watch the system
then after 10-12 years of getting deep into it….
jump into politics!!
that’s my plan!!
egjactly….
dats wat m tryin to say…
m not sayin ki poorer people only belong to sc/st….i know general people r also dere…
but jyadatar usme se aise hai..
n but m not totally agree ki reservation should me on da basis on annual income
it must least not on basis of category…
n we all should work over it to a extent..
if evryone of us can contribute a little towards development of poorer people…for da development of backwrd people..
our country will b again da golden bird..
but r u sure about….da reservation on da basis of annual income…
a business man earnin 10 LACS year shows income of 2 lacs…
so dat can never b a solution n even i do doubt ki sayad isse bhi jayda badtar halat ho jae…
ab tak khuch ko to benifit milta hai tab vo bhi nahi rahega…
solution is ven u all people will come up n stnd for da development of our country..
ven v all will contribute wat v can ….
den thngs will only change…
i was alone here …n i juss tried dat u all must thnk da oder point of view too …
annual income funda also gets fails…everyone can predict da amount of corruption can b in it…
so genuine upliftment of poorer people is da only solution…
n no one else will not do it…v will hve to do it..
n m totally agree to akhilesh…
v r da voters…n v should da best fitted thng vich can really wrk fr da actual upliftment of society….
but if u ask me…i dont c ny sign of develpoment..
even if u will remove da reservation…nthgn will change here…
u cnnt even make me count one thng..
rich ones will b more richer n poorers will b poorers…
dats wat gnna happen..
v all can say remove reservation….but u tell me wat change on higher level it wll bring out..
do u thnk corruption will decrease..
do u thnk all iitians wll b stayin in indian all wrk for deir mother land…
do u thnk most of da iitians will go for research..
do u thnk all of dem wll contribute to contry’s development..
do u thnk dey will not b corrupted for money..
do u thnk dey will also not ignore da poorer people…
all dis will happen..
da only change will b u wll hve most of da people og general category…m sure about it..
only chnage will b dis…..yeh acc to above …competition will increase..but wat diff wll dat make…cpi banana mushkil hoga…
isse jayda khuch…
ya fir cllge ka environment juss academic ho jaega..
kul milake iit ka standard badega..
n baaki institutes me unko paisa milega jiske pitaji ke paas paisa hai..
sc/st ke gareeb logo ki bachi khuchi ummede bhi khatam kahi se iti ki training lenge koi..technician banega to koi mechanic…
dat would b da technical knowledge of dem…
wel m goin out of da topic becoz u all insist on better stndrds on iit .n see towards da bad effects of reservation…
but no one wnna look over da changes dat r required frst to remove reservation…
m srry fr arguin vid u wll..
bbye
take care
n
keep smilin..
hope u all will do smthng fr ur country’s real development..
not juss fr ur own pockets..
n sorry for so long replies..
Looking at this, I am glad I took the step of opting for a university abroad rather than dropping an year to give IIT 1 more chance. At least there’s no discrimination based on what your surname is. This is what happens when uneducated people become the leaders of the country. It is no surprise that IIT’s world ranking dropped to No 33 in technology universities and it didnt feature anywhere in the world’s overall top 200 colleges. I also feel bad for those who spend 2 years of their life slogging to get into IIT and have to get a poorer college/stream coz of their surnames. Someone mentioned what is the solution? Read about the points system mentioned in an article on reservation on wikipeida. It isnt perfect, yet its miles ahead of reservations
well I didn’t knew that IIT’s world wide ranking is falling. Well thats sad. One thing which we all were proud of is also going away.
I don’t think they are doing the right thing by changing the pattern of entrance examination too. I feel 1996-98 were the best, which really tested the students. Further I am not sure whether a simpler paper will still bring in the same cream.
Surely with the situation worsening, probability is high that students will start moving to colleges in US rather than staying back here in India.
Here is the link to the wikipedia site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India, probably you are talking about the same?
About solution to this problem, well I am clueless to be frank. With present political leaders in place, I don’t see things changing in next 10-20 years atleast
Now have you all seen this….this is just rediculous.
http://www.freshnews.in/indias-first-women-iit-being-set-up-in-maharashtra-30061
Hey guys,
Read your views but i’m a liitle baffled with the situation. My confusion is that is “getting into politics and setting things right the only panacea to the problem.” I mean ,say for instance,if a doctor is bad at his profession and goofs up in a opeartion, will that mean that all of us need to study medicine and take the entire onus on us.
What we fail to understand is there are many things as “citizens” which we can do. Remember the jassica Lal case was reopened due to democratic pressures (thanks to the media as well which highlighted it)
how many of us have lodged police complaints when ideally it is needed(forget about their response), have we taken the first step? how many of us go to consumer courts or lok ayukts if we find some shop keeper goofing up? how many business people pay honest taxes….I think it is high time that we realise our duties and rights as citizen. With “Right to information act” coming in picture i wonder how many times have we used it. all we are used to is cribbing for thingz.
Lets grow up and behave as a matured democracy where public can make a whole lot of difference.After all, we we the ones that brought justice to Jessica lal’s murder case.
Well said!!
Points taken!!…
But first relection of my mind is:
Degree and intensity of effort needed.
Quality assurance.
Definitly individual efforts can make a differece and you have been able to highlight one of them. But Let me think, how many more JASSICA’s are waiting in line???
Certain things need to be fixed in the system. Like we have RTI.(Let me accept that I have never been able to use it even once). Like one more example. My dad did apply for passport. It has come now after nearly 6-7 months of application. In the mean time we lodged several online complaints. But nodoby cared to reply.
To summarize, yes citizens can and are the final saviour in the situation. All I want to add is; skillfull and talented people are now very much required in governing this nation. And we have to set a trend that we start taking GOVERNANCE (which is not necessarily taknig politics) as a profession.
Akhilesh
Jan heet mein zaari……
I hope there is no restriction of words….so let me start…
Reservation – A 11 letter word which is there now-a-days in every news, every newspaper, everybody’s mind and everybody know or have heard about it atleast. Why people don’t think of conservation and only reservation. It will not take much time as it just got one alphabet more….but today our country need that more than reservation in terms of energy, electricity, water, trees etc. etc……neways….without diverting much from the topic I would first like to define RESERVATION. Its the concept of increasing the social diversity in the workplace and campuses by lowering the entering criteria for the groups in minority or having less strength or proportion in the general population.
Now getting to the actual discussion, when we talk of reservation why we only talk of it at an entry level in IIT’s IIM’s or equivalent level institutes and courses or at jobs and workplaces whether government or private. Why don’t we talk of reservation at school’s entry level??
I was not aware of the fact the Abhinav shared in this blog. Thanks Abhinav to bring out this. Today because of you I have given a lot of thought at the topic and able to written such a big comment in response. -:) I hope people reading your blog will not mind.
The concept of reservation was started by the government for the upliftment and was supposed to end after a particular period and was not supposed to take the shape it has taken now.
Now-a-days, it has became an arm for politician to serve their purpose of getting vote. In today’s egalitarian Indian society the value of a person is on the basis of its knowledge and not on cast or color or creed. In a democratic country like India everyone have equal right to get education and gain knowledge from any institute across the country in any course on the basis of the performance in the entrance exam or any form of qualifying exam. Then why the society is being moved on the basis of caste because of the interest of some mean politicians. No one can answer that because its all in the interest of government and in the best profit of the people running the government.
We all have too many point to put in over here but still I need to end somewhere…..so at the end the solution I see to serve the purpose of reservation i.e. upliftment of minority is to provide them grass root level growth by providing them education may be subsidized from the root level.
well smthng about reservation at school level is mentioned above….
but dont u thnk if every private school is forced to hve sum limited no of seats vich r to b provided to students huse father’s annual income is less than 1 lacs or smthng…
becoz dat way u can help in raising standards of education..
n dere r so many private schools…
dese thngs may help..
already in kota every all da students huse father r farmers hve to pay a very nominal fee to coaching institutes..
Very true….but again seat reservation is one thing….which I personally don’t favour…what I would like to suggest is to support all those who are willing to study and don’t have enough resources those can be monetary. Its not only the case that students from minority are the only one who are deprived of education because of weak financial situation at home.
Now as far as the purpose of brining up the minority group is concerned, yes we need to have some fixed number of seats for them but still those should also be occupied by the desrving one from them. Those should also be filled on the basis of previous performance.
well arun sir…
till u wont improve da condition of govt. schools at village level u will not be able to do nythng..
u hve talked of performance above…but resources need to be dere for dis performance.
teachers in dose schols might b qualified but useless..
infrastructure is not dere.
if v all can raise voice frst at root level of schools in all cities towns n village specially on dese govt. schools..
dey r da ones hu r getting highest pays n benifits in teachers category but nt at all willing to work.
might b a impossible task…
but v should form a massive group or party all over india vich must focus on pointing out all dese carelessness stuffs performed even after money provided by the govt.
n v should make ourself strng enough so dat v can force everyone to imrpove da system..
2 personal observations/opinions to Question the well known philosphy of 1)UPLIFTMENT and 2)REMOVAL OF SOCIAL DIVIDE of reservations as a means of “affirmative action” ..
1)UPLIFTMENT: The ppl who are availing reservations in IIMs atleast are not at all “underprivileged” either in educational or financial backgrounds.So whom r we uplifting by getting him/her into an institution which is pride of our nation ???…a 22-28 year old who cant even put his thoughts coherently and who has no panache for analysis INSPITE OF his education in top public schools at delhi/mumbai and IITs/St.stephens et all, just because of his/her CASTE??
2)REMOVAL OF SOCIAL DIVIDE : Observing my parent’s generation who grew up in 70’s and early 80’s in middle class/rural India, I feel they have a far less baggage/pre concieved notions bout caste divide as it was surely dwindiling inthose times. But with the advent of the likes of Mandals,VP Singh,Arjun singh ..who hv all affected our career prospects(in +ve or -ve way depending on ur surname), I always see around me we all hv a greater tendency to club surnames with capabilities and with the fact that whether u hv attended “PREP CLASSES” before start of course at IIT/IIM>…
So is this wat we call removal of social divide ??
reservation shud b for underprivileged so that they can come up to certain level. not for some ias’s son. a sc/st who is unable to get a decent living shud be given reservation but only in primary education and class3 jobs. we dont want reservation in higher education institutes. and if a member of a family has been given reservation, then he can support his whole family. so no reservation to his family members.
hi abhinav why r u making a issue over me there r lot of persons u r suggesting to do the same n they r suggesting u fr the same but fr ur information i m competing well here my position in the midesems in 38thout of batch of 64 persons u know AIR doesnt matter in IITs so why r u makin a crap of it… if u have power thn remove reservation at all.. why u people hurt people like us… it is too embarassing..
Hi Brajmohan,
I already wrote an apology initially coz I had to bring up your name, but none here is pointing or doubting your capability or capacity.
Congrats that you are doing good thr, but the point in this discussion was isn’t it fair for you getting the CSE Mumbai while another person at the same rank would have struggled to get CSE in any of the IIT’s.
So I appologize again if I hurt your sentiments, but really we didn’t meant anything again you. Its against the system.
Hope you will understand the discussion here.
i know tht it is against the system but believe i too dont know how my rank is 9 in the category as my air is 4929 n i know i dont deserve cse in iitb according to my rank… but plzz remove this blog frm internet all of them had expressed their views … n its hurting me too saw such comments… so i apologize all of u fr my branch n i request all of u fr pardon me as a little brother pe tht abhinav u understand so plzz remove tht ….
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